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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://curiousprogrammer.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/nothing-vs-something/#comment-8014</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 06:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@confuseAcat - as I said on your blog, those few lines of code don&#039;t look that bad.  What made you think there was deliberate obfuscation?

@Graham - I know he wasn&#039;t, but I was considering what his end game was (code without documentation not released perhaps) and then trying to think of some reasons I would prefer code not to be released.  The simple fact is, that in almost all cases (and particularly for CPAN where there are barriers to novices releasing code) I would prefer to have even bad code to no code.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@confuseAcat &#8211; as I said on your blog, those few lines of code don&#8217;t look that bad.  What made you think there was deliberate obfuscation?</p>
<p>@Graham &#8211; I know he wasn&#8217;t, but I was considering what his end game was (code without documentation not released perhaps) and then trying to think of some reasons I would prefer code not to be released.  The simple fact is, that in almost all cases (and particularly for CPAN where there are barriers to novices releasing code) I would prefer to have even bad code to no code.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Knop</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Graham Knop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 00:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Caleb doesn&#039;t seem to be complaining about bad code though, but bad documentation.  The issue of it being used as an example for poor code doesn&#039;t really apply to what he has said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caleb doesn&#8217;t seem to be complaining about bad code though, but bad documentation.  The issue of it being used as an example for poor code doesn&#8217;t really apply to what he has said.</p>
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		<title>By: confuseAcat</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 17:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You, Sir, are an optimist.

Using Perl (or any other language) for quite some time will not make your code any better. Code quality is not a function of time. 

I did a little &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.perl.org/users/confuseacat/2010/05/why.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rant&lt;/a&gt; today and showed a couple of lines of really bad code. But I wasn&#039;t making fun of a newbie. That code is from a guy who has been working as a Perl developer for at least eight years now. Eight!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You, Sir, are an optimist.</p>
<p>Using Perl (or any other language) for quite some time will not make your code any better. Code quality is not a function of time. </p>
<p>I did a little <a href="http://blogs.perl.org/users/confuseacat/2010/05/why.html" rel="nofollow">rant</a> today and showed a couple of lines of really bad code. But I wasn&#8217;t making fun of a newbie. That code is from a guy who has been working as a Perl developer for at least eight years now. Eight!</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 12:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@dave -

&lt;blockquote&gt;“But I think that a programmer who is motivated enough to release code to CPAN will be good enough to not write bad perl.”

I was with you until right there. CPAN is full or horrible Perl code. There’s over 20,000 distributions on CPAN. Do you really think they’re all good Perl?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I may have to edit the post to clarify what I meant here.  What I intended, was that CPAN authors are not novice perl programmers.  The bad perl they put up will not be novice bad perl, but obfuscated bad perl.  (Woolly thinking there Jared)  Admittedly I could check this out myself so I&#039;d know for sure.

Thanks for pointing it out.

@Sam - you&#039;re saying you wouldn&#039;t be able to honestly wear &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.betterthanpants.com/i-m-a-very-good-bad-example-t-shirt.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this tee-shirt&lt;/a&gt; eh? :)

(actually, I was looking for some slightly different text, but this is close enough)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dave -</p>
<blockquote><p>“But I think that a programmer who is motivated enough to release code to CPAN will be good enough to not write bad perl.”</p>
<p>I was with you until right there. CPAN is full or horrible Perl code. There’s over 20,000 distributions on CPAN. Do you really think they’re all good Perl?</p></blockquote>
<p>I may have to edit the post to clarify what I meant here.  What I intended, was that CPAN authors are not novice perl programmers.  The bad perl they put up will not be novice bad perl, but obfuscated bad perl.  (Woolly thinking there Jared)  Admittedly I could check this out myself so I&#8217;d know for sure.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing it out.</p>
<p>@Sam &#8211; you&#8217;re saying you wouldn&#8217;t be able to honestly wear <a href="http://www.betterthanpants.com/i-m-a-very-good-bad-example-t-shirt.html" rel="nofollow">this tee-shirt</a> eh? <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(actually, I was looking for some slightly different text, but this is close enough)</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Graham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 12:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, something is better than nothing.

I release my open source free software in case someone finds it useful.  I don&#039;t know in what ways people might find it useful, that&#039;s their business.

If they look at it, think what I&#039;ve done sucks and as a result of that release some software that doesn&#039;t contain what they consider to be my mistakes, then my software has still been useful, in that they&#039;ve learned what not to do.

Now if I hadn&#039;t released this hypothetical module, because I felt it didn&#039;t pass some criteria of &quot;worthiness&quot; or because I didn&#039;t want to support it, then that person would never have benefited from that &quot;use&quot; of my work, and could well have wasted time discovering the things that I&#039;d already found out.

Of course such a situation is highly unlikely because all software I&#039;ve released is perfect and cannot be improved upon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, something is better than nothing.</p>
<p>I release my open source free software in case someone finds it useful.  I don&#8217;t know in what ways people might find it useful, that&#8217;s their business.</p>
<p>If they look at it, think what I&#8217;ve done sucks and as a result of that release some software that doesn&#8217;t contain what they consider to be my mistakes, then my software has still been useful, in that they&#8217;ve learned what not to do.</p>
<p>Now if I hadn&#8217;t released this hypothetical module, because I felt it didn&#8217;t pass some criteria of &#8220;worthiness&#8221; or because I didn&#8217;t want to support it, then that person would never have benefited from that &#8220;use&#8221; of my work, and could well have wasted time discovering the things that I&#8217;d already found out.</p>
<p>Of course such a situation is highly unlikely because all software I&#8217;ve released is perfect and cannot be improved upon.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Rolsky</title>
		<link>http://curiousprogrammer.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/nothing-vs-something/#comment-8002</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Rolsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 12:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But I think that a programmer who is motivated enough to release code to CPAN will be good enough to not write bad perl.&quot;

I was with you until right there. CPAN is full or horrible Perl code. There&#039;s over 20,000 distributions on CPAN. Do you really think they&#039;re all good Perl?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But I think that a programmer who is motivated enough to release code to CPAN will be good enough to not write bad perl.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was with you until right there. CPAN is full or horrible Perl code. There&#8217;s over 20,000 distributions on CPAN. Do you really think they&#8217;re all good Perl?</p>
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